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Agreed. That and no hard carries is why I’ve got him clearly behind Tedesco and Ponga.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

Tedesco would be my first choice. I think he has been surpassed by Ponga but other factors play a role (namely incumbency). Ponga my second. I think these 2 are the clear best two all round fullbacks.

I think you then need to consider what style of football you want to play and who else is in your side. Are yoy selecting for the future etc.
However with DCE and Munster as the halves I would definitely be selecting Walsh 3rd and probably Gutherson 4th. If Cleary was to be the 7 I’d probably have had Edwards 3rd and knock the other two back one.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

One poor game out of position? That is my point. He looked out of position at centre. He hasn’t looked comfortable any time I’ve seen him play there and he was given at least half a dozen games there.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

I said I doubt he’d be top 10 for try assists. I just looked. He is equal 10th with Sloan and Mitchell who both played less games. So 12th out of 17 first choice fullbacks. If we look at try assists per game he drops slightly further. Having about 2/3rds of the comps fullbacks ahead of you is hardly “not to bad”. Especially when you have the advantage of being in the best team in the comp.
You are absolutely correct in that he has plenty to offer the fullback position at any level. However creativity isn’t something he offers. Tedesco has demonstrated very good creativity (perhaps not consistently this year, but certainly in past seasons) and has maintained a high workrate. Thus is a more rounded fullback than Edwards and selected ahead of Edwards in rep teams.

GB said he was trying to workout why Edwards has been snubbed citing his running metres. My simple answer is Tedesco brings more to a team.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

100% agree saying “anyone could have coached them to a grand final” is absurd.
“when you look at the role they play in overseeing recruitment, retention, development, training, sports science, strategy, tactics, man management, motivation, staffing and probably dozens of other things” I think you are crediting the coach with far to much here.
Tactics, man management, motivation I’d suggest is primarily the coach. Most the other stuff I’d suggest the coach is only one of many voices and in most cases far from the loudest voice.

The Coach is King: How to understand the NRL’s biggest tactical trend of 2023

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Oct

So he is statistically about equal to Tedesco’s/Roosters worst year for some time when given the advantage of 4 extra games and playing in the best team in the comp.
Hardly an endorsement of being “not to bad at all”.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

I think it’s a bit in the middle. Any NRL coach is in an elite role. They are exceptional coaches to get to that position. So they can coach NRL better than someone like myself who does ok coaching the local junior team.
But given all NRL coaches are elite I think they are largely interchangeable and the roster is significantly more telling than the coach.

The Coach is King: How to understand the NRL’s biggest tactical trend of 2023

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Oct

Crichton might be needed at 6.

Samoa squad: No Suaalii and no Luai, but no question for Crichton - it was only Samoa

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Between Tago, May, Alamoti and Peachey the Panthers will have 2 very capable centres next year. Not one of them is in the same class as Crichton but. He can just do things noone else can do and has been integral to the Panthers dominance.
I don’t see Cole as a first grader and McLean to me is an out an out winger.
Iongi to me looks the pick of the bunch. I think he will be your future fullback but he could do a job anywhere 1-5.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

I couldn’t see him as a 6. He just hasn’t got the subtleties in his ball playing. He has shown glimpses of a kicking game, so I’m sure he could develop an effective one, but he hasn’t yet proven he could be an effective kicker.

Pre Lockyer, when there was less demand on the fullback to be creative, I’d say Edwards would probably be the best fullback in the comp. The way the game is played now however, he is very effective in his role, but he hasn’t got the all round game to be considered ahead of other fullbacks in my opinion.

Fortunately the Panthers don’t require him to be the linchpin of their attack. They have the best half of his generation, one of the best ball playing locks, a pretty good 6 and arguably the best centre in the comp. They have enough points without Edwards being an attacking threat.

I wouldn’t say Turuva could do a better job, Edwards is brilliant at what he does. I do think Turuva would offer something that Edwards does not.
There is also a bit of does the Panthers structure natutally limit the involvement of the fullback? Or is the limitations of the fullback considered in the design of the Panthers attacking structure? Whilst ever it is the former Edwards is the right man for fullback there. If it is ever the latter they may need to consider other options.
I think it has certainly been the former the last few years and this has allowed Edwards to excel in his role. If it is to remain so it will be interesting to see how they overcome the loss of Crichton.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

As Dogs said below, how many of those run metres are cheap metres from his team forcing long kicks to him?
Where is he in attack? I doubt he would be in the top 10 fullbacks for try assists.
Very good at what he does but not nearly as well rounded as Tedesco.

Outfoxxed: Addo-Carr stood down from Kangaroos after Knockout brawl, Edwards finally gets rep chance

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Oct

Agree with your assessment of Ponga however I also agree with The Barry’s assessment of Tedesco. So, with Tedesco selected i don’t have a spot for Ponga.

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

I think Fifita is unlucky not to be in the side, especially given there is only one genuine backrower in the squad.
I’d probably have picked Best ahead of Holmes and Staggs but not a whole lot in it.
The rest of the squad is pretty much exactly what i would expect.

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

Did you watch his last few games for Australia?

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

Hear, hear

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

Maybe find a passing game and set up a try or two. Something more than simply running the ball would be a start.

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

I’m not quite sure that is the case. The reverse is certainly true. If he was to play for NZ he would become ineligible for any further games for Qld. But, I dont believe having played for Qld would technically rule him out of playing for NZ as the IRL would have their own criteria separate to Origin

Kangaroos squad: Cleary injured, Meninga backs Tedesco after snubbing in-form trio as Latrell 'comeback' surprises

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Oct

Edwards running metres is the most overpraised individual attribute in the game. Yes, it is his role in the team. Yes, he performs it very well. Yes, it is good to see a bloke make the most of his skillset through hard work and dedication. However, his running metres are predominantly a reflection of his sides game plan and physical dominance. There are very few fullbacks (a couple of the light weights aside) who could not perform this role, heck most wingers could.
Edwards ability to organise a defensive line however is elite and for some reason never mentioned. It is what he brings to the Panthers side that any old effort merchant can not.

The quiet achiever versus the NRL’s flashiest player: How Dylan Edwards v Reece Walsh could define the Grand Final

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Sep

Merch to the club and food to the stadium owners

ANALYSIS: Johnson and Egan power Warriors into Prelim - but Newcastle did everything to help them out

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Sep

Marketing departments analyse the clicks. In all likelihood Warriors stories, comparatively, are not clicked on. If they were the coverage would already exist.

Treating the Warriors as second-class citizens is dumb business by NRL and Australian-centric media

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Agree no excuse for biting.
I just don’t think he bit him.

Wighton should have been hit for six over Knight bite - and given an extra match for arrogant sledge at heated hearing

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Powerful runner, probably just needs to improve his tackle efficiency. 23 was his first year fulltime in league and first year against men so i think it will improve naturally. Defence didnt look like an obvious but statistically it appears to be.

NRL News: Knights boss in 'woman's skirt' gaffe, Dragons up sticks in big Flanno move, Lomax to get fullback crack

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Savelio Tamale

NRL News: Knights boss in 'woman's skirt' gaffe, Dragons up sticks in big Flanno move, Lomax to get fullback crack

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Just because something is the current plan it doesn’t mean it should be stuck to. If it is clearly a bad plan, are they not better off with a new one? It honestly would not surprise me if Tigers are no better under Benji. But a 72 year old who has been out of the game for a decade was a bad option, just as a recently retired player with no coaching experience will likely be a bad option.
It is not necessarily about giving the coach one year to get wins or get out. There needs to be signs that the club will become competitive under their guidance. Sheens/Benji haven’t managed to recruit anyone of note despite having a lot of cap space and haven’t been able to retain the players that were coming off contract. This would indicate that the players, both within and outside the club, don’t believe in the vision being sold. Add in the decline in results since the previous coach was punted and it is clear that the plan was a bad one that should be aborted.

Benji taking reins early as Tigers make cut-throat call on Sheens: 'Suggestions about us knifing Tim are demeaning'

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Aug

He went a long way backwards with a team that recruited 3 rep players and a 4th former representative. How can you justify giving him more time?

Benji taking reins early as Tigers make cut-throat call on Sheens: 'Suggestions about us knifing Tim are demeaning'

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