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I am a fan of all cricket, I love it.

But I don’t think I am alone based on the comments. There is a general vibe from people that they love cricket, but are struggling to engage with the BBL.

Honestly shocked to hear there is that many jerseys floating around. I have seen very few in Melbourne, but ill keep my eyes out.

The Big Bash has big problems

Hi Liam,

The gimmicky “guff” is the aspect which is making it feel less like a sport and more like entertainment. Its this which is confusing people, and turning people that love cricket away because it just doesn’t feel like cricket.

I think it’s that attitude – that its perfectly fine, that we have found a niche etc. – which dooms so many businesses.

Yeah its cricket, and the AFLX was Australian Rules Football and the died real quick.

The Big Bash has big problems

Hi Michael,

Similar questions have been asked above regarding attendance. I do see where you are coming from. I thew this years figure in because it felt relevant to the article – your right that the figure is a bit compromised by the season still ongoing.

Personally I think once you start playing with the number of matches as dramatically as the BBL has (28 to 56 in 9 years) then looking at accumulative attendance becomes almost pointless. The BBL could add another 20 matches next year and the accumulative attendance could go up again, but I don’t think that gives us any real insight into the leagues popularity or whether its sustainable.

The 2015/16 BBL season had 35 matches while the 2018-19 season had 59 matches.
They increased the fixture by 60% and got a 11% increase in total attendance. I think that points to a reduced interest in the product and a lack of sustainability even if it is seemingly trending up. I do see how you can spin it as a positive though.

The Big Bash has big problems

Hi HR,

Yeah that’s a fair point regarding Smith. I probably should of used his IPL stints as an example as opposed to the BPL. My point was Smith has played in other Twenty20 competitions, but not the homegrown version.

I think once you start playing with the number of matches as dramatically as the BBL has (28 to 56 in 9 years) then looking at accumulative attendance becomes almost pointless.

The BBL could add another 20 matches next year and the accumulative attendance could go up again, but I don’t think that gives us any real insight into the leagues popularity or whether its sustainable.

The Big Bash has big problems

Thanks JGK, appreciate it.

Comparison to the NBL in the 80’s is interesting. It certainly feels like the gimmicks and added extras works in the beginning, but then people stop getting distracted and start looking at the product.

Surprised to hear the kids genuinely hate the experience.

If our international players had come straight back into the BBL following the test series I suspect the competition would have had a very different feel.

The Big Bash has big problems

Hi Jay,
Enjoyed this. As a Lebron fan who once again became a Cavs and therefore a Kyrie fan; I agree that he certainly dances to the beat of his own drum.
“Irving as the score-first, ball-hog guard who you just can’t win with” – That really is the most comfortable narrative around Kyrie.
One of my sporting highlights is seeing the Cavs beat Boston by 1 point at TD garden back in 2014. Just as you said, Kyrie needed Lebron’s 41 that night but it was an un-tucked Kyrie in the 3rd quarter who brought them back from 20 down with a period of offence play which is still one of the most breathtaking things I have seen live.

Kyrie Irving cooks brilliantly and alone

Hi Christo,

I hear what your saying, but I don’t know if we can call them outliers if they make up more then 20% of the seasons and occurred back to back. I think the disappointment is the BBL has failed to capitalise on the momentum from those 2 seasons.

Your suggestion is pretty much my general feel. Agreed regarding regional centres, certainty some goodwill in listening to the people and spreading the matches around.

The Big Bash has big problems

A fair point regarding this season.

Certainty puts everything in life into context.

The Big Bash has big problems

Thanks Stephen, appreciate it.

I honestly hadn’t not even really thought about the impact of the weather on such a short time-conscious game. Certainty must play into decision making when taking the whole family.

Cracking list of names in that Thunder team no doubt! Andre Russell hit some huuge balls.

The Big Bash has big problems

One of the better suggestions i’ve heard.

I would think the only issue would be the 6 year broadcasting deal which begin in 2018. One of the pitfalls of signing long-term deals is it locks you in to the now.

The Big Bash has big problems

Thanks Damo, appreciate it.

NBL rise should be great to watch. I managed to just catch the very end of that NBL era. I remember going to see Copeland, Gaze, Loggins and D-Mac but don’t really remember just how much buzz basketball was causing. Certainty good memories.

The Big Bash has big problems

Thanks Aaron.

I like the sentiment of what your proposing but one of those demands the broadcasters brought to CA was MORE international signings and there is 1 billion reasons they’ll probably get what they want.

The Big Bash has big problems

This Freo related banter has inspired me.

I am going to write a similar preview for Fremantle at some stage in the next couple of weeks.

Hopefully we can continue the conversation on that piece.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Col from Brissie,

I left a lot of discussion of the departures out of this article to try and focus on looking to the future. His a loss, but his the type of loss that probably wont be discussed again at the club.

Newnes is absolutely an AFL level player however after 155 games he still hasn’t consistently found a spot on the field. He has been thrown around everywhere. Even last season I think he was picked in the back line early, the wing mid season, the bench later in the year etc. In 2018 he was playing half-forward for a little while. Newnes has felt like a square peg in a round hole for years now.

I would say his strength is gaining metres and his 2016-17 seasons were both strong in this area. He does a lot well but probably isn’t elite at any one skill. His durability and experience will no doubt add value for Carlton but he is a bit of a victim of circumstance here.

Newnes never played a finals with St Kilda in 8 seasons. His impact on games has slipped the last couple of years and with such sweeping change his the type of player that gets moved on to allow the club to start feeling fresh.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Brendon,

Thanks for your comments, appreciate it.

I am sure internally they are thinking finals but I just think it’s going to take a year before its realistic. The question is what side misses the 8 to squeeze them in?

That’s a big wrap for Howard and interesting to hear. Admittedly I haven’t seen a lot of Howard, but what I had seen wasn’t jumping out at me. Looks like he has been a victim of getting switched around and a lack of constancy in his career to date. As I said there is obvious upside, just want to see it improve the Saints defence before I see it as a positive move.

Midfield is undeniably shallow. I had an extra section that I removed due to length which looked at needs beyond 2020 and an elite inside midfielder was top of the shopping list. Even some depth in the area is much needed. I put Hill in the midfield as his going to be the one they are trying to get on the outside and release. He might not be at the centre bounce but he will be the first one they are looking for running past. I am confident Saints get there return on the Hill trade.

We have the same prediction, but I think it will feel positive. Its always disappointing to miss finals but if it leads to a positive outlook in 2021 then its a small price to pay for a side that hasn’t played finals since 2011.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Vercetti,

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.

Yeah the Ratten coaching error is on me. My memory & fact checking has really failed me there.

When I first wrote this piece I had the Richmond-Carlton listed as 2011 which was when Ratten was coaching. When proofing myself it was fact checked and updated to 2013 however I made the mistake of not reassessing other facts around it. I knew he won 1 final and my brain had me convinced it was the Richmond one. It’s a bad error, but that’s how you learn!

Agree regarding losing streaks. I think it goes back to the premise of my article. The Saints need those 4 points not just for this season, but so they don’t have to keep revisiting and rehashing the failures from previous seasons.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Col from Chelsea,

Yeah that one’s on me. Seems my memory & fact checking has failed me there. I have always been convinced Ratten was coaching that day but obviously my timelines were a little bit out. He did win 1 final, and I am sure I could write a similar paragraph as an example of his ability.

When I first wrote this piece I had the Richmond-Carlton listed as 2011 which was when Ratten was coaching. When proofing myself it was fact checked and updated to 2013 however I made the mistake of not reassessing other facts around it.

Its disappointing you believe this takes away from the validity of my opinions or views but nonetheless hope you get involved in the conversation.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Thanks Col, appreciate it.

St Kilda 2020: Look ahead because you can’t look backwards

Hi Liam,

I am not opposed to load management as a general practise in sport. However Leonard is taking it to the limit and the Clippers need him on the court. His not destroying his body but the Clippers are now stuck in a war for seeding in the West. It may provide Leonard with a longer career, but the Clippers would rather a shorter career with banners I am sure.

No doubt they always had to move from Staples, its the Lakers house. As i said above my questions were more around the timelines and the extravagance of the plan. They could of held off slightly to see how year 1 & 2 look for the Klaw/PG duo, leaving the Inglewood announcement as an option for further good news or the good news needed after things didn’t go to plan. They didn’t, so they really are all in on the next 2-3 years.

The Leonard load management conundrum and the cost of resting in the west

His certainly is one of the more interesting players to look at over the past decade. His brilliance is undeniable, but as you said his tendency to be a “brat” made him somewhat unlikable. His ability to outplay his statue has always been part of the joy in his play and the elite decision making is certainly still there.

His current “strange place” is in some ways his own doing. The 4-year 160 mil contract he signed with the Rockets which includes the 44mil player option in 2021/22 still makes me feel ill. CP3 was always getting that deal and was always signing that deal but I am sure he knew there was a risk he could become Luol Deng 2.0. If he was moved from Houston which i thought at the time highly unlikely it was always going to be very hard to find yet another suitor willing to take on that contract.

Who knows, OKC may yet still blow this up and Paul might get out before its too late. Probably more unlikely now the way the season is playing out. Really is a strange situation; not really an asset but not exactly a liability.

I do hope we get to see his talent contribute to something more then this, even just for one more decent run where he can play big minutes down the stretch.

On a placeholder team, Chris Paul's genius still shines through

Yeah, I agree. Both Warne and Murali are complete outliers in every aspect. Nothing about there records is normal.

Even more remarkable to think if you take Warne and Murali away, i’d give Lyon a very sneaky chance to catch Kumble (619) and retire as the leading wicket taker of all time.

Agree on his average, at first glance 31.5 looks a bit high however it places him below Herath but in front of the likes of Harbhajan Singh and Vettori. It’s more then just a pass mark. We are really only discussing and comparing Lyon with very fine slow bowlers.

Nathan Lyon’s greatness should be more appreciated

Hi DaveJ,

Comparing eras in any sport is always tough work. The deeper you look the more variables that come into play and the more angles one can take in assessing a player.

Warne & Murali live on a planet on there own but I put Lyon in the conversation with anyone else. I guess I am putting significant value on his long jeopardy which as you pointed out players from previous eras did not have the annual volume of tests to produce those career figures.

I think when you look at comparisons and quantity vs quality you have to look at what happened and not the potential for what could of happened. Lyon has delivered and those listed above delivered; yet in such a smaller sample size.

Take for example if Labuschagne retired tomorrow. 14 tests at 63. I really cant use this sample to start comparing Marnus to say Laxman who averaged only 45 but scored almost 9000 runs or Ian Chappell averaging just 42 however doing so over 16 years.

I think Mallett and Trumble were front runners pre-Lyon. However for me the sheer volume and consistency of Lyon’s performances means he has gone straight by them. To place these bowlers above Lyon you are assuming they would of produced similar figures given the opportunity. Lyon has produced the figures and I think that’s a defining factor (regardless of what may be a slight injustice to those of previous eras).

Nathan Lyon’s greatness should be more appreciated

Hi JGK,

Ahh of course. An oversight on my behalf. Thanks for pointing it out. I tell you what though, it sure felt like a victory and I certainty celebrated like one.

Agreed, his consistency in performance and across different conditions is one of Lyon’s more valuable traits.

Nathan Lyon’s greatness should be more appreciated

Thanks Paul, appreciate it.

I personally feel the Warne comments were more “hot take” material that an actual belief. Warne has previously stated Lyon is our best ever off spinner. His 32 at home in a winning side that is hardly full of potential retirees. Swepson will get his chance but Lyon was never missing that test if fit.

Certainly agree regarding the past couple of years. Surely his current form will hold for at least another 1-2. I think catching Warne is probably just out of the question but catching McGrath is certainly on the cards and cementing the 1-2 spots of leading wicket takers for Australia as spinners would do his legacy no harm.

Nathan Lyon’s greatness should be more appreciated

Its a good point Rafiqul.

It does seem the balance between being effective and being exciting gets easily blurred especially for spin bowlers. If anything, Lyon should be an example to many that you don’t need all the tools in the shed to be successful.

Nathan Lyon’s greatness should be more appreciated