2012 Caulfield Cup Day: Horse racing live updates, blog
Columnist By Justin Cinque, 20 Oct 2012 Justin Cinque is a Roar Expert
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- Americain, Dunaden, Horse Racing, Southern Speed
Can Americain win the 2012 Caulfield Cup? Slattery Images.
The 2012 Caulfield Cup is the most famous 2400m race in the Southern Hemisphere and a well-travelled field has assembled in Melbourne for the $2.5m handicap. Join us on The Roar as we build-up to the 4.05pm AEDT start time.
Yesterday I went through the field for the Caulfield Cup in a runner-by-runner preview. There is plenty of quality and many winning chances in the line-up.
In that preview I didn’t speak much about the barriers but with favourites Glencadam Gold and Dunaden drawing wide, the most pivotal part of the race could be in the first 30 seconds.
It promises to be a fantastic Caulfield Cup.
The weather in Melbourne for this bumper meeting is predicted to be fine and the track should improve from an initial rating of dead. By the time the Cup is run, the course is expected to be in the ‘good’ range.
Supporting the Caulfield Cup is nine other races and there are some pretty exciting types going around. The best credentialed runner outside of the Cup is Mosheen, who runs in the Tristarc (1400m, Group Two, mares) at 4.50pm AEDT.
The four-time Group One winner will be looking to record consecutive victories after returning to the winner’s circle at Flemington last time (1410, Group Two, mares). Mosheen is on a path to Derby Day’s Myer Classic (1600m, Group One, mares).
The most interesting entrant all day is rising star Howmuchdoyouloveme who races in the Caulfield Sprint (1100m, Group Two, handicap) at 2.40pm AEDT.
The Con Karakatsanis –trained galloper was the most emphatic victor in July’s Ramornie Handicap (1200m, Listed, handicap) at Grafton since Takeover Target in 2004.
Howmuchdoyouloveme has only suffered defeat once in five starts and like Takeover Target will be looking to announce his arrival as an elite-level performer at his first Spring Carnival.
Takeover Target progressed from the Ramornie to win the Salinger (1200m, Group One, handicap) on Derby Day before taking the world by storm. By the end of his career Takeover Target had claimed Group races in England, Singapore, Japan, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne.
Howmuchdoyouloveme may not turn out to be as good as Takeover Target but he’s shown enough in the early part of his career to indicate a bright future.
In the Norman Robinson (2000m, Group Three, three-year olds) at 12.45pm AEDT leading Victoria Derby (2500m, Group One, three-year olds) chances step out.
Gai Waterhouse trains the favourite Kabayan and she will be hoping for a good start to the day. Later in the afternoon, racing’s first lady will saddle up Caulfield Cup market leader Glencadam Gold.
The day’s other highlights include the Group Three Moonga (1400m, handicap) at 2.00pm AEDT where Emirates Stakes (1600m, Group One, handicap) aspirants step out, while the David Jones Cup (2000m, Group Three, handicap) is a traditional consolation prize for those who weren’t good enough to make the Caulfield Cup field.
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5:15pm
johnb747b said | 5:15pm | Report comment
In nearly 50 years of watching racing I have never seen a ride as well-judged as that displayed by Williams. OK, so he had a good one under him but his judgment was incredible. Moore… Mulley… Breasley,,, and the rest… Could Williams be the best ever?
The aerial clip shows his brilliance best of all. Look where the horse was 600m out.
Un… effing… believable!
4:51pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:51pm | Report comment
So that’s it for today. Dunaden wins a brilliant Caulfield Cup.
Join us again on The Roar.
4:29pm
Jason Cave said | 4:29pm | Report comment
I reckon Dunaden gave possibly the best Melbourne Cup trial run today. Craig Williams did an outstanding job.
When you watch the replay on either TVN’s ‘Trackside Today’ or ‘Racing Review’, take note of where Dunaden is as they come around the turn heading into the finish. Dunaden must surely be backed into first or second favourite for the Melbourne Cup on the first Tuesday in November after a win like that.
4:38pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:38pm | Report comment
Yes…but he will get a penalty.
He may have to carry 60kgs in the Melbourne Cup.
But why can’t he?
6:17pm
Jason Cave said | 6:17pm | Report comment
And not only that, but which barrier will he be drawn in for the Melbourne Cup.
It’s probably a good idea to wait until the Geelong Cup and the Mackinnon Stakes at Flemington before getting a much clearer idea of who to back for the 2012 Emirates Melbourne Cup. But, at this stage, Dunaden has made out a strong case of why he should win the Emirates Melbourne Cup.
12:00pm
Shaun said | 12:00pm | Report comment
I think Dunaden’s proven today that the Melbourne Cup is his to lose, as long as he’s got Craig Williams on his back. He’ll strip fitter and he’s likely to get a much better barrier. It’ll be a ripper of a race between him and Americain.
Feel sorry for the punters who got their fingers burned on Glencadam and December.
4:15pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:15pm | Report comment
This Caulfield CUp win of Dunaden must rank highly.
58kgs, from last and the hoof problem. Trainer Delzangles said he was a week behind where he needed to be.
How good is this horse???
4:29pm
Tim said | 4:29pm | Report comment
Not good enough for the Arc,
but seriously he is in the top group of stayers in the world. Great win, great ride, all class.
Imagine if he was right and not a week behind!
4:39pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:39pm | Report comment
Yeah!
But is he really not good enough for the Arc? I mean off that run he’s up there with the best stayers in the world. He wouldn’t be disgraced in an Arc.
6:33pm
johnny nevin is a legend said | 6:33pm | Report comment
This horse is 3-4 lengths behind the best European 2400m horses in Danedream, Nathaniel and Snow Fairy. The fact that he won this race at top weight and 3 from the back with 500m from the finish shows how poor the opposition was. I heard the Channel 9 commentator say that Dunaden has now won 7 million dollars, this is fantastic for a horse of his ability. More European trainers should seriously consider sending their horses down here, its easy money compared to back home.
4:40pm
lozza said | 4:40pm | Report comment
Fabulous Justin – the thing that really stood out was the runs by the two class horses.
4:42pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:42pm | Report comment
Yes that’s right lozza. You can’t beat class. Did you stick with Dunaden?
4:53pm
lozza said | 4:53pm | Report comment
Thankfully yes mate – i did become a little wobbly this morning, but then i do get burnt when i change my mind.
4:53pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:53pm | Report comment
Well done!
4:14pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:14pm | Report comment
The top five all run outstanding.
There was a small break to Zabeelionaire and Folding Gear in 6 and 7. Then a break to pack led by Sneak A Peek
4:13pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:13pm | Report comment
Results
1. Dunaden
2. Alcopop
3. Lights Of Heaven
4. Americain
5. My Quest For Peace
6. Zabeelionaire
7. Folding Gear
8. Sneak A Peek.
4:11pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:11pm | Report comment
All those on speed folded. Glencadam Gold folded. VOila Ici was last and December Draw dropped out.
The run of My Quest For Peace was enormous. He sweated up. He was close all the way and he battled on well to finish fourth or fifth.
4:10pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:10pm | Report comment
Zabeelionaire is close up behind them.
FOlding Gear was good too.
4:10pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:10pm | Report comment
My Quest For Peace or Americain is fourth.
4:09pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:09pm | Report comment
Dunaden from the back.
Brilliant victory!!
Alcopop is second. He backed up alright.
Lights Of Heaven is third.
4:08pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:08pm | Report comment
Pressure on in the CUp!!
GG winds up the tempo.
4:08pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:08pm | Report comment
Cassidy controls it with GG.
Voila follows. December is close today.
Sneak A peek is well poised.
Jakklaberry is wide the whole way.
4:07pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:07pm | Report comment
Racing….in the Caulfield Cup!
Good line. Dunaden goes back.
Glencadam coming across. He’s whizzing up with Voila Ici.
December Draw first to find fence. Glencadam gets to the front. He worked a bit.
Americain has 6 behind him. Dunaden is second to last.
Secret Admirer is fourth.
Sneak A peek is well in.
4:06pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:06pm | Report comment
Loading well…
How much carnage is there early? Can Glencadam get across?
We’ll soon know.
4:05pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:05pm | Report comment
Loading well for the Caulfield Cup
4:05pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:05pm | Report comment
About to load for the Caulfield Cup.
I’m a bit nervous.
History will unfold.
So many greats have won this – none moreso than Tulloch. THey still talk about his win in this race as a three-year old in the 50s. He almost broke the world record.
4:04pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:04pm | Report comment
No antics from Voila Ici today.
4:03pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:03pm | Report comment
Craig Williams, jockey Dunaden “We need to get cover today”
Surely they go back to near last. Does Williams chance his arm?
4:03pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:03pm | Report comment
Does he go fwd searching for a miracle?
4:02pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:02pm | Report comment
150 seconds from the Caulfield Cup
4:02pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:02pm | Report comment
Horses on the way to the start.
4:01pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:01pm | Report comment
Mark Kavanagh, December Draw: “He’s never looked better…we can’t get him any better than this”
Kav is usually very quiet and coy. This is a big push. He’s never won a Caul Cup. Can December Draw change that?
4:00pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:00pm | Report comment
Zabeelionaire and Sabrage look well in the coat.
3:59pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:59pm | Report comment
Bruce Clark says Alcopop hasn’t looked better all prep – “came here looking like a hunted dog. Now he looks like a real racehorse”
Does look well. If he backs-up after last week, he probably wins. He’s weighted so well. He’s never backed up in his whole life. He’s best kept fresh. Can he prove me wrong?
4:13pm
Tim said | 4:13pm | Report comment
Alcopop has backed up within 7 days. 3 times for 2 wins
4:19pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:19pm | Report comment
Actually only once. In his first prep 40 months ago.
3:58pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:58pm | Report comment
Moody’s have presented very well. Can’t fault Sneak A Peek. Think he’s the dark horse. Is the track too firm?
3:57pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:57pm | Report comment
Lights Of Heaven, the best genuine Aussie chance. Not an import, very good. The local hope.
3:58pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:58pm | Report comment
Looked well.
3:57pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:57pm | Report comment
My Quest For Peace looks well but is sweating up badly!! Not handling the occasion? Showing all the signs of freshness. Hmmm…this doesn’t make me any more confident. He is sweating profusely in behind.
3:56pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:56pm | Report comment
Glencadam Gold is having a look around. Can’t fault him. Think he’ll win.
3:55pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:55pm | Report comment
Sanagas, with no form, looks very very well.
3:55pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:55pm | Report comment
Now Voila Ici, the former Italian (stallion) walks out well. Looks outstanding today! Has come on from Flemington I feel.
Wow! Didn’t go to the start last time without encouragement. Needs to today.
3:54pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:54pm | Report comment
Winchester, the ex-American, has the blinkers and nose roll on. This is his pet distance. Not fussed today. He’s minding his own business.
3:53pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:53pm | Report comment
Jakkalberry enters the mounting yard for Italy and Marco Botti.
Looks well. His trackwork has made news – it’s been that good.
3:52pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:52pm | Report comment
Dunaden has the usual nose roll fitted. His ears are pricked, he’s minding his own business.
3:52pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:52pm | Report comment
Americain is looking around. he’s never been to Caulfield before. He looks well.
3:51pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:51pm | Report comment
Chief steward Terry Bailey, only minutes ago, laid down the law to the jockeys. He wants a clean race.
3:49pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:49pm | Report comment
Horses are in the parade ring next to the Norman Robinson Stand at Caulfield. They’ll make their way up the race, about 100m, to the mounting yard. Then they’ll be mounted by their riders and will head to the start.
This is a crucial part of their day.
3:50pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:50pm | Report comment
Horses need to be on their best behaviour here. You want to see a horse handle the occasion – no antics (unless it’s something they always do) no sweat, no kicking or bucking
3:47pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:47pm | Report comment
National anthem being sung at Caulfield. Jockeys are in the mounting yard. Horses soon to follow.
3:46pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:46pm | Report comment
Damien Oliver, who was taken off My Quest For Peace earlier in the week had his application to receive the jockey’s cut of the prizemoney earnt by the horse stood aside today. He’ll need to take the matter to court if he wants to get his 5%. A couple of owners have since stated they would give Oliver 5% of any share of prizemoney they receive with MQFP in the Caulfield Cup.
3:38pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:38pm | Report comment
Who are you tipping Roarers?
I’m with Glencadam Gold to beat Voila Ici. I’ve promoted Lights Of Heaven into my top three at the expense of December Draw, who’ve I got fourth top tick. Just warming to LOH because of her ability to run a strong 2400m.
3:35pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:35pm | Report comment
Just how much work does Glencadam Gold do to get across today?
Perhaps not that much. This isn’t a Caulfield Cup with plenty of speed. Voila Ici who’s also drawn wide will be pressing forward and Glencadam Gold may get some help coming across.
If GG can find the lead without too much harm, I think he’ll win the Cup.
3:33pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:33pm | Report comment
Well maybe the inside is the place to be today. If that’s the case I think horses like My Quest For Peace (who I’m not very keen on), Zabeelionaire, Moudre and Folding Gear will be well positioned because of their low barrier draws.
3:30pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:30pm | Report comment
How do these Europeans handle the conditions?
It’s pretty hot out at Caulfield today.
3:29pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:29pm | Report comment
December Draw is the tote favourite for the Caulfield Cup in Victoria.
In NSW, it’s Glencadam GOld who holds favouritism.
35 minutes from start time in the Cup.
3:24pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:24pm | Report comment
Lightinthenite wins. Another winner near the fence.
You can’t beat G1 form. Bagman was second.
And now the focus turns to the Caulfield Cup.
3:24pm
Cowcorner said | 3:24pm | Report comment
I really like Glencadam Gold and I’m saving on 10, 12 and 13
Always a good race!! Secret Admirer owes me from last year
3:25pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:25pm | Report comment
Good luck Cowcorner!
3:12pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:12pm | Report comment
Prairie Star is the top weight for the upcoming David Jones Cup. I got a message from The Roar’s Sh00ter about two hours saying Prairie Star looked awesome. On tele he looks well too. He’s a French import. Definitely one to watch.
There’s a promising stayer at the bottom here too – Waterford Hill. He could progress to win a nice race at Flemington. He could be a 2013 Cups horse.
The favourite Lightinthenite could be too good form them – he has G1 form. The distance is a bit of query.
3:09pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:09pm | Report comment
We are less than one hour away from the Caulfield Cup.
Sam Hyland, official RVL track walker, says the track is firm under foot. “Still even ground all over”.
His job is to walk tracks. I’ll back him in.
3:16pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:16pm | Report comment
That’s a vote of confidence for the Caulfield track.
2:46pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:46pm | Report comment
Well Tristan asked before whether I thought the track was playing favourably for horses near to the inside. I said I didn’t think it was but that’s another race where the horses near to the speed and near to the inside were favoured. Four of the six races have been decided near to the inside.
I’m not sure there’s any bias but if your Caulfield Cup tip is out the back early, that mighn’t be the place to be.
2:54pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:54pm | Report comment
And that’s where it becomes interesting for Dunaden and Americain who are drawn wide. The easy thing to do is to drag them back and get them in near last but with their 58kgs and in a race where it MAY be advantageous to be on-speed, they will struggle. Perhaps they need to be ridden a little positive from their alleys. They are going to need a lot of luck.
At least with Glencadam Gold, you can expect him to find the lead at some point. He’s, in my view, the best chance of those drawn out wide by a long way.
2:42pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:42pm | Report comment
Well he’s very good. Howmuchdoyouloveme takes his record to five wins from six starts with victory in the G2 Caulfield Sprint.
He’s fair dinkum this bloke. A $5000 purchase and the best winner of the Ramornie since Takeover Target may soon be spoken of in the same breath as TOT.
He’s a future star.
He won by over two lengths.
2:44pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:44pm | Report comment
He led all the way.
2:57pm
Tim said | 2:57pm | Report comment
That is a very big call. There have been some very good winners of the Ramornie since TOT.
The Jackal – almost $1 million in prize money
Pinwheel – over $1 million in prize money and multiple G2 winner
Battlefield – could have been anything but sadly injury curtailed this
First I think Howmuchdoyouloveme needs to do superior than these horses before he is talked about being a world class horse. All horses listed above are well and truly better than Howmuchdoyouloveme. Battlefield won a listed race in Brisbane at his 6th start, Pinwheel won a race at Rosehill by 4.5L and The Jackal won at Rosehill. I know today was a group 2 event, but the race would not look out of place as a listed non-carnival event
3:04pm
Justin Cinque said | 3:04pm | Report comment
Well as a G2 winning horse that has won five from six he already is better than The Jackal and Battlefield. While, I agree about Battlefield being a highly-promising type, he never won a Group race. And HMDYLM will reach $1m prize very soon. His 4L win in the Ramornie IMO was just as good as TOT’s victory in 2004.
Pinwheel is a multiple G2 winner. HMDYLM will win a G1.
I think he could be world class. That’s something that I can’t prove because he isn’t yet but I think he will get to the highest level. Our best sprinters are world class. He will be one of our best sprinters by the end of the 2013 Spring.
2:36pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:36pm | Report comment
Runners on the way to the start for the Caulfield Sprint. Find a tele and watch this race. I think Howmuchdoyouloveme is a future sprinting star. I could be wrong but this could be the emergence of a world-class horse.
2:35pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:35pm | Report comment
Shewan is a late scratching from the David Jones Cup – had blood near it’s jugular and the stewards weren’t sure if it was caused by foul play! Wow!
2:31pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:31pm | Report comment
TVN reporting that a $1m+ offer has been made by Sheikh Khalifa for Hvasstan who won the Derby lead-up earlier today.
The Sheikh won earlier today with one of his other horses – Al Aneed. He also raced the mother of Al Aneed, Al Anood.
2:28pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:28pm | Report comment
Massive crowd at Caulfield. The overhead shots show a packed front lawn. Capacity is 50,000 at Caulfield. Must be close to that.
2:17pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:17pm | Report comment
In my opinion, a firm track suits Glencadam Gold who has very good hard-track form in Australia. Overall, he’s won 6/11 on good ground.
2:15pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:15pm | Report comment
Caulfield track has been upgraded to a Good 3.
It’s no surprise – it was coming all day. But this is not ideal for Americain who doesn’t want it too firm. Niwot isn’t a hard tracker. And horses who went only fairly in the Turnbull on similarly hard ground – the likes of Sneak A Peek, Moudre and Zabeelionaire might not appreciate this upgrade.
But, I repeat, this was expected.
2:11pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:11pm | Report comment
The fifth race at Caulfield has been taken out by Queensland visitor Whateverwhenever.
Compound names are becoming more prevalent in horse racing.
In the next, the G2 Caulfield Sprint, Howmuchdoyouloveme and Thankgodyou’rehere are sure to be giving caller Greg Miles a bit of a headache.
And both horses look like they will make the progression to G1 in the coming weeks.
But there’s no similarly long-named types in the Caulfield Cup.
2:07pm
Tristan Rayner said | 2:07pm | Report comment
Justin, is the track looking to you like the inside is racing better? There’s some big implications for the Caulfield Cup if that’s the case.
2:14pm
Justin Cinque said | 2:14pm | Report comment
Hard to say Tristan. I don’t think so.
Hvasstan, Al Aneed and the previous winner came down near the inside.
But the winner of the first and fourth races came down the outside.
I don’t think there’s any bias. But Caulfield always favours horses who travel closer to the speed unless the pressure is crazy or it’s very wet.
It’s probably playing fair today
1:58pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:58pm | Report comment
If you want to cheer a true-blue Aussie in today’s Cup, Lights Of Heaven in probably the best chance of a fair-dinkum local victory.
If you don’t already, it could pay to count the imports as Aussies – if you do you’ll be claiming December Draw and Glencadam GOld as Aussies.
In a first, Americain is an ex-import. He was moved into David Hayes’ Euroa stables at the end of the 2011 Spring Carnival but wasn’t performing so was sent back to his old trainer Alain de Royer Dupre in France. I believe he’s the first ever ex-import to run in an Australian Group One race.
1:55pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:55pm | Report comment
When you look at the Caulfield Cup field one of the things that stands out to me is the amount of internationals in the field.
But the interesting thing about this very cosmopolitan Caulfield Cup is that the all the imports and raiders are at the top of the weights.
With the scratching of Southern Speed, the first nine horses are born overseas. And of the bottom nine, eight are born in Australia.
It’s an eight/ten split in the Aussie borns v the rest but the reality is that the Aussie borns are making up the numbers according to the handicapper and the bookies.
But it’s no surprise to anyone who’s followed Australian racing in the last five years. Our staying numbers are in serious decline.
1:56pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:56pm | Report comment
And almost all our good stayers are imported.
1:40pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:40pm | Report comment
If you want to watch today’s Caulfield meeting you can jump on Channel Nine on FTA, Foxtel channels 519-522 or racingnetwork.com.au for a TVN feed.
With so many internationals engaged, it should be a cracking Caulfield Cup and, as I wrote in the preview, there are some pretty handy lead-up races in support.
1:29pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:29pm | Report comment
We’ve just seen Alzora beat Summerbliss in the 2000m fillies race. They’ll be heading to the Oaks.
Winner came down the middle of the track and the second filly ran on.
We’re yet to have a winner come from a long way back but Caulfield tends to favour horses that race near to the speed unless the track is wet or there is serious pressure applied (like in last week’s Caulfield Guineas).
1:16pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:16pm | Report comment
There are four scratchings in the Caulfield Cup.
Southern Speed was withdrawn last night because her connections felt she would have more chance of winning next Saturday’s Cox Plate after drawing wide for today’s race.
That meant 100/1 chance Sabrage got into the field.
The remaining three emergencies – Gatewood, Ibicenco and Fictional Account – weren’t required.
1:13pm
Justin Cinque said | 1:13pm | Report comment
Good afternoon Roarers and welcome to the coverage of the Caulfield Cup. The season’s first major is just under four hours away and the favourite for the 2400m $2.5m handicap is Glencadam Gold.
It’s been a mixed start to the day for Gai Waterhouse. She’s already trained one winner at Randwick but favourite (and Derby chance) Kabayan was pretty disappointing for Tulloch Lodge in the just finished Norman Robinson.
Gai will looking for her second Caulfield Cup with Glencadam Gold.
The weather at Caulfield is fine and the track is rated in the dead (4) range. That means that it’s not completely firm but still very hard. The track manager said earlier in the week that by the time the Cup is run the track should be in the good range.
So far today, we’ve had three races run and winners have come near to the inside and middle of the track. It’s the third meeting at Caulfield this week and there shouldn’t be too much disadvantage in coming from behind today. Leaders have been doing it pretty tough so far.