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Former New Zealand journalist teaching in Istanbul. Fave teams - Canes and Jags. Can be found chatting live about rugby here in my free time: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/roonbafr/wingman-s-global-briefs-t3372.html

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Would Australia qualify??

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Don’t forget the biggest island of them all – Greenland. They have a team now, apparently.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

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The tier system is holding back international rugby

Rebels are privately-owned and Force are run by RA, I believe. So they did what was necessary to avoid legal complications. I really hope Rapid Rugby is a success next year. It’ll be great for the Pacific Islands as well.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Great series. I’m enjoying watching this unfold. :thumbup:

The Roar’s 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 35-31

That’s the million dollar question

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Because they are majority populations and identify more closely with their nations of residence than their nation(s) of ancestry. Also, most of these nations were colonized by the British amid genocide and other horrors.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Some good comments in there, Jimbo, but just to reiterate – Samoan is an ethnicity as well as a nationality, and the article refers to Samoan-heritage players, indicating the former definition

The tier system is holding back international rugby

RC is a real case of overkill, especially when they’re all playing each other at Super Rugby level as well. It used to be such a thrill when NZ played SA, but I don’t even bother watching them any more. The World Cup will be an exception, of course.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Samoan is an ethnicity as well as a nationality, and the article refers to Samoan-heritage players, indicating the former definition. It’s good to see them showing such pride in the diaspora as well. An Island-of-Origin series would certainly be something (hypothetically-speaking, of course)! No region of the world is more passionate about its rugby.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Yes, that’s a dose of cold hard reality. It’s a bit like writing anti-war articles, knowing they’re never going to make an iota of difference to the military industrial complex.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

This statistic is mind-blowing. Samoa has a population of 200K, comparable to St Lucia and Sao Tome & Principe. We can double that by including American Samoa plus the New Zealand and Australian diaspora, but that’s still only in the same ball park as Guadeloupe and Martinique. Yet their role in rugby is becoming similar to that of African-Americans in basketball. The game is part of the fabric of Pacific Island society, and the most important step international rugby can make in the coming decade is the integration of that community into top tier rugby. & there should be a corresponding increase of international coaches, officials and administrators from the region as well.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

28 Samoans lining up for other teams at this World Cup (almost half the teams will have one): https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/sport/49278?fbclid=IwAR32GggRI9fEZuv2vrSPXESahKxDlM7OM4f2SJuWXQPST3Lpe3_oniB33G4

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Fair comment, good ideas at the end. Funding for tier 2 and 3 nations comes from World Cup proceeds, I believe, so it’s not exactly charity. The Pacific Islands are among the major draw-cards at the tournament and help to generate these proceeds themselves.

The tier system is holding back international rugby

Yes, great idea about reducing it to a single round of games, adding a Pacific team and including a promotion-relegation fixture. :thumbup:

The tier system is holding back international rugby

RWC best winning and worst losing streaks
New Zealand: Winning 14, Losing 2
Australia: W 12, L 2
South Africa: W 11, L 2
England: W 8, L 2
France: W 6, L 3
Argentina: W 5, L 8
Wales: W 4, L 2
Ireland: W 4, L 3
Scotland: W 4, L 3
Italy: W 2, L 4
Canada: W 2, L 5
Samoa: W 2, L 5
Tonga: W 2, L 5
Fiji: W 2, L 6
Japan: W 2, L 13
Uruguay: W 1, L 5
Georgia: W 1, L 6
Romania: W 1, L 7
USA: W 1, L 10
Ivory Coast: W 0, L 3
Spain: W 0, L 3
Portugal: W 0, L 4
Russia: W 0, L 4
Zimbabwe: W 0, L 6
Namibia: W 0, L 19

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

Canes should lobby for a 3rd-place playoff. We could use an extra match each year. :silly:

SANZAAR unveils Super Rugby fixture for 2020

Yes, it’ll be Richie for sure. Should be a few from the Aussie teams of the 90s as well. How many featured in both World Cup victories? Eales was one, I think. Wilko’s sure to be up there but not too high. Stransky as well, of course.

The Roar's 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 50-46

Rounding off the foreign-born players per squad:

5. USA – 13

Dylan Fawsitt (Ireland): Residency (2017)
James Hilterbrand (Australia): Parent
Paul Mullen (Ireland): Grandparent
Greg Peterson (Australia): Parent
Hanco Germishuys (South Africa): Residency (2007)
Tony Lamborn (New Zealand): Parent
John Quill (Ireland): Parent
Shaun Davies (South Africa): Residency (2012)
Ruben du Haas (South Africa): Residency (2012)
Will Hooley (England): Grandparent
AJ MacGinty (Ireland): Residency (2015)
Will Magie (England): Parent
Paul Lasike (New Zealand): Residency 2012

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

Great Read. I would’ve expected to see Zinny much higher up the pecking order, but I guess he was in two All Blacks teams which failed in their mission, despite his individual heroics.

The Roar's 50 greatest players in Rugby World Cup history: 50-46

Yes, I think putting the ABs and Boks in the same pool make have been part of a cunning strategy to improve the chances of a north-south final, which always carries a little more intrigue than an all Southern Hemisphere final.

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

World Cup-winning All Blacks coach Steve Hansen seems to agree with me anyway, blaming World Rugby for failing to stand up to the Six Nations and force through its Nations Cup proposal, thereby depriving teams like Tonga of the regular exposure to first tier rugby they require to be competitive at that level. Fact is, first tier teams are playing a lot more test rugby than they used to, the three most successful nations in test match history are now meeting each other two or three times a year in meaningful competition, and the Six Nations teams are getting to host one or two of them annually – as well as make their now traditional southern tours Down Under. All this is a far cry from the amateur era, NZ and Australia only toured the NH once every few years – and invariably for just a couple of tests – while summer tours Down Under by individual Home Unions were equally rare. The first tier has moved on in the professional era and the second tier has been left behind, the odd first tier test during the AIs notwithstanding. I’m not sure the Nations Cup proposal was the answer, given it appeared to further stratify international competition, but it did at least include promotion-relegation, a vital pathway if the second tier nations are to have any incentive to improve at all. Personally I think one thing they should certainly look at is getting back to where they were with World Cup qualifying two decades ago and turn that back into an open competition involving all but the host and defending champion.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12265912&fbclid=IwAR3PXHzCLYpjgtJyHtMvUlb7lmzu1AoIPkbM54XvAj7e7QrXv6scfuRbySo

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

Silly reply, Nicholas. Doesn’t make sense at all. :thumbdown:

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

Not my area of expertise, sorry.

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts

NB: NZ had scored 50 or more at halftime in four previous occasions:

v Japan, RWC1995, HT 84-3, FT 145-17
v Italy, RWC1999, HT 51-3, FT 101-3
v Portugal, RWC2007, HT 52-3, FT 108-13
V Fiji, 2005, HT 50-0, FT 91-0

Perhaps the best news to come out of these fixtures, meanwhile, was the combined 100K spectators who attended Scotland’s series with Georgia, 45K in Tbilisi and 55K at Murrayfield. & that the games were reasonably competitive – certainly not blowouts – suggests there ought to be more fixtures involving 6 Nations sides and the Lelos in the future.

Southern dominance and other World Cup facts